Success Story with Chris C. Ducker from VirtualBusinessLifestyle (Interview)

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Flo: So. I know that you are not originally from the Philippines, right?

Chris: No. Not originally. Not originally.

Flo: So. What did you do before and why did you decide to go to the Philippines?

Chris: Well. You know that I’ve always been to the sells and markeing industries. And I did everything from selling advertising space right away down to – you know – exhibition, coordinating, you know, all that sort of stuff as one. That was what I did back in the UK. But I originally came to the Philippines to train telly marketers for one of the big international banks over here. And that was a one year contract and it was very enjoyable and obviously within a year I had pretty much fallen in love with the country. It’s a great country, right?. So it gave me the opportunity to – you know – kind of discover the country what i wanted out of it. And I started doing consulting work going around a lot of other companies and doing a lot of sales consulting, a lot of branding consulting as well. I’ve seen that they have a little bit a problem with that here. So… ehh… I did great like that for a few years. And it was a great learning experience for me from being self-employed and things like that. I started a company at the beginning of 2004 which big … it kind of put itself in kind of a very saturated market very very quickly. Like within a space of 18 months I was selling the company. For a profit but a small profit non the less wasn’t an getting-rich-profit put it that way. And I set up the live2sell group and I guess the rest is a little bit a history from their you known.

Flo: Yeah. Yeah Yeah. So your first intention was not to establish an outsourcing company.

Chris: Not really. No. I guess after that first year here I started doing a lot of consulting with call centers because of my telly marketing background and that sort of… So. I know I would go in the senses for – you know – 60 days be training and intense training courses. I would do seminars and workshops and things like that. And – you know – I kind of got do know all of the people in the industry that I kind a needed to know if that makes sense throughout the course of that consulting work. You know: I kind a got to the point where I started doing consulting work for a company based out of Miami in Florida and the guy was a real asshole. I mean he was a …. The money was good! I prostituted myself. The money was really good. And I knew he was an asshole going into a relationship. But to be honest with you. You know man? The money was good! I don’t know what more to say. So the money was really very very good and while I was working with that guy pretty much exclusively for about a year and a half or so. And by the time it ended all kind of come to an end which was basically me ending saying “I don’t wanna work for you any more. Asshole!” You know! I had been very lucky in keeping my head down, sating focused, making a lot of money, and really kind of – you know – but myself into rescission where i can bootstrap with the live2sell group staring it of. I mean we started the live2sell with just 7 people. And to of them was me and my wife. And know we’re gonna hit 300 by the end of the year. So that’s a thing which happened within a space of less then 5 years. This is pretty phenomenal. But. I gotta be hones with you: I kinda knew was: It was going to happen because i knew the market very well. I knew that I could market the company, the services of the company very well to the right people. It was just the matter of finding the people here in the Philippines helped me run the company and grow the company. And that’s really  my focus was for the first view years. And finding the clients was just really easy. I’m not gonna say that it was a walk in the park or anything but I knew the clients would come. You know what I mean? Finding the people was not so easy and now I’m in a position where I got a great team and  everything is a lot easier and I’m a lot happier.

Florian: And the outcome of the the 4 hour work week of Tim Ferriss – The Book. I think it supported your company in growth.

Chris: It did. I wouldn’t necessarily say that I would pay Tim Ferriss any sales commission. And Tim if you’re listening: I don’t wanna get any E-Mail from you asking for a commission! No! It definitely helped. I think just in a general sense. Bring the term Virtual Assistant and Outsourcing to a bigger, wider, less savvy market. And because of that: Yes, of course. We got lots and lots of enquiries but you know the funny thing is about that book is that I always say that I wish Tim would do a follow up to the 4 Hour Work Week. Rather then the 4 Hour Body  and the 4 Hour Chef coming out. I can see what he’s doing. He is creating his own “Dummies guides” to – you know – kind of library or whatever you wanna call it. But I hope that soon – if not the next book but the book after: I hope that he come out with the book that kind of follows off, follows up where the first one really left off. He told you what could be accomplished by doing this, by doing that, by setting up this business, by doing this, by doing that. He told you what can be accomplished but he didn’t really tell you HOW.

Florian: Yes. That’s it!

Chris: It was a lot of dream reading going on there. You know? And you know what? I say it right know: If he doesn’t come out with a follow-up book like that, I’m gonna do it. Because I’m pretty sure that I could …. 4 Hour Work Week was a classic. Don’t get me wrong! But I’m pretty sure that can add at least a handful of chapters to that first book that enables people to do this and do that and do this and do that. And that’s what he really needs to do. Tim. If you’re listening in any point. Do that! Please do that! It requires this! It’s a classic book. It really is. And it really does require a follow up as far as I’m concerned.

Florian: Why not helping him? Write him an email and say: “Hey tim. We should write a book!”.

Chris: Like: You’re a multi bestselling-book author. I’m a nobody. Let’s team up on a book.

Florian: Why not? He did the same!

Chris: It might happen but I’m …. It doesn’t really matter where you look at it. The fact of the matter is was a great book and I would personally love to see a follow up to that. I really really would.

Florian: Yes. Me too!

Chris: It would be great.

Florian: So if we can go a little bit back in time: I know that in the Philippines everything is really different, the lifestyle, the culture and so on. What would you say: What was your biggest personal and business challenge in the new country? When you emigrate to the Philippines?

Chris: That’s a great question. I think from a personal standpoint it was probably just kind of getting to grips in general. Particularly when I first arrived obviously. Now I’m half philipino. I drunk so much San Miguel beer. But no: When I first got here I would definitely admit that I kind of I struggled with getting out of “party mode”, I guess. Right way. You particularly come from the UK or Europe where the Euro is very strong. The pound, even the dollar is very strong against pesos was back then. Way way stronger back then what it was now in beginning of 2000 when I first got here. But fact of the matter is is that when you’ve got that additional income left over I was in my late twenties I ran out I partied my ass. I was a rockstar you know what I mean? I was out three or four nights a week just partying just having fun. Doing what I did. And it took a while to get me out of that zone. But when the reality kicked in. That was me now living in another country that I was calling “home”. I’m not just mean that living in another country, making money, partying. You know that have to come a time where i was gonna switch off really focus on the business side of things. … But really from a business standpoint a lot more struggles. A lot of people I read about doing business in the Philippines online and a see videos and/or lessons about podcasts or whatever the case maybe. And I think it is just as easy as turning up with a laptop, opening an office, finding staff and getting up and running. I can tell you right know from nothing but shift learning experience: It’s not that easy in any way shape or form. It’s a lot harder to set up a business here in the Philippines.

Now. Here is a thing. If you’re looking to turn up and work as an independent contractor or as an internet marketer or whatever the case maybe then it is pretty easy. You come in… you can – you know – you come in on a tourist visa, you can extend that tourist visa three or four times before you have to leave the country and you can come back in again. They are pretty languidly with that stuff. And that’s just you working out of your hotel room or apartment that you’ve rented, or beach resort or – you know – whatever the case maybe.

But if you feel – kind of a – come over here, find an office, hire staff, and all that sort of stuff. You gonna set up a business entity and as a foreigner coming into the Philippines it’s not easy to do that. It was a lot easier years ago then it is now. Now it’s very hard. It’s still works around it but ultimately you gonna get Philipino – you know – borders directors are involved and any you got the trouble of finding any people you can really trust and – you know – all that sort of stuff. So it’s not as plain saying as a lot of people think it is. And I think that’s one of the reasons why so many people decide to just outsource the work to the Philippines rather then coming over to the Philippines and setting up their own companies, and corporations and everything as well. And it’s not as cheap here as most people think it is to run your own business here, I mean. One thing is start getting   with – you know – employees contributions, taxes and all the rest of it. It’s kind of just in any other country, man! You know what I mean? It is what it is.

But the one big struggle that I had business wise: I guess its kind of one of my personal wise as well is that: They have this thing here called “Philipino Time”. And what it basically means is that it’s absolutely, totally OK to be 15 minutes late. Or more! To any meeting, to any appointment, even to weddings, funerals and shit like that. I mean it’s fine. It’s Philipino Time. Tthat’s drives me crazy. And anyone that works for me knows that I don’t run on “Philipino time” at all. If your shifts start at 8 am your ass is in here at 7:45 and you’re ready to go. You do not stroll in at 10 past and expect that everything is okay. So. That is “Philipino time”. It’s just such a small thing but when you’re running a business over here. Oh my good. It was stress. And it was unbearable. Now I’ve got around it and I’m a little bit loser with it and everything. But: ultimately that was the biggest struggle was getting that one very simple little “Philipino trade” of “It’s okay to be a little bit late”. It’s not okay to be late. Ever! Particularly in business.

Florian: It’s sounds like you’re german. All the Germans are – you know – on time. Maybe you’re European in your heart.

Chris: Well I mean I just – you know – for me – in a turning up to a business meeting is kind a unacceptable. You know? The schedule is there. It means to be – you know – it means to be respected and people are busy. And – you know – it’s just the way it is. A perfect example: I head somebody – this is about six or seven month ago – and I was supposed to do a final interview with. They would going to be interviewed … sorry. They had already been interviewed by my HR Assistant and by my COO. This is for a management position here in the company. And I’m the last stop for anything management wise. I must check the person personally myself. He turned up 10 minutes late to his interview with me. And I didn’t interview him. And I didn’t give him the job. And he already wasted my COOs time, my HR Assistants time and you know: He was like: “Oh no give me another chance please. I really wanna work for your company..blabla”. And I said: “You cant turn up for an interview the owner and CEO of the company on time then why should that CEO give you a job?” And that’s really the one thing for me just respecting other peoples time. Just just cant failure not owing it.

Florian: I think setting up a business like yours – an outsourcing company – it was one goal in your life I can say.  The other goal was to become a Virtual CEO in 2010. So maybe you can tell us little bit more about: “What is The Virtual Business Lifestyle?”

Chris: Sure! Well – you know – it’s funny when you say “in 2010″. For me now its seems like it was like years ago. It’s hard to understand what’s happened during the last – you know – 18 to 24 months. Its just seems like it’s a long time ago but the general plan behind my whole virtual CEO thing was that I had become a father for the third time and there was quite a big gap between my second child and my third child. And I had missed a lot of things, a lot of time with my first two kids cause I was too busy building my career – you know – and all the rest of it. But this time it was different because I had my own business, I was the boss, I didn’t  have to work 9 to 5 anymore. I kind of called it “shots” and that’s exactly what I  stared doing. And so – you know – the catalyst was wanna to be there – you know – just being a dad more with my third child. So I put a one year plan in place to become a virtual CEO by the end of 2010. I stared in January which was when I launched virtualbusinesslifestyle.com+. And one point of the blog actually to start of with was manly kind of just chart my course of that year, the journey. But after a sort of three or five month it kind a just of exploded and it was never like: “Oh I need you to write something on this, I need advice on that, can you do this, can you do that?” And now I stared the podcast and it kind of just went “bang, bang, bang”. And here we are 18 or 19 month later and – you know – I getting like 25000 people per month reading on my blog  and that is just insane. And I cant remember… I mean I never thought for a second that I have 25000 on my blog and 5000 people subscribing to my youtube channel and 25000 or whatever it is on Twitter. It is just crazy! When I look at the numbers I kind of pinch myself but the fact of the matter is that one year goal I wanna to do it for a personal reasons but I also wanna to do it for business reasons because from a business standpoint with live2sell I already worked pretty hard to build it up and I kind of got to the point I wanna to work on my business but I didn’t wanna work in the business anymore. So I had to hire all these people. I think I hired 7 or 8 people in total for kind a replace me in those different areas in the business. Everything from – you know – sells and marketing, to HR, training, the whole recruitment, the whole thing. And the whole prettiness behind this was that every once of those people were hired to doing their jobs so that I can step away and could then focus on growing the company as well as staring and growing other companies as well. Cause thats was I love doing as an entrepreneur. I just love the startup – you know – coming up with the idea in the shower and register the domain name and sitting with my web developer finding the graphic design and whatever. That’s what I really love doing and that’s was I’ve been doing for the last, almost one year cause I was lucky enough to find – you know – great people and put everything in place. It’s being great.

Florian: So what was the biggest challenge in 2010 regarding to your goal becoming a Virtual CEO?

Chris: That’s interesting. I mean….

Florian: Maybe it was the time when you set up the blog and you become famous in the world wide web.

Chris: Yeah I mean – you know – ultimately I think my big thing was that I kind of – I wanna to start other businesses. That’s what I wanna to to more then anything else. And I’ve been able to do that obviously with Virtual Staff Finder and we have another company that’s just about to go on a full launch. It’s kind a bee on a Beta-Mode for the last couple of month. Which is the Web-PA-Service which is kind of like a project based outsourcing where people can utilize the team that I have here to do things like design, blogs, nichesites and  – you know – logos, ebooks, transcription, you know  – all that sort of stuff. So I’ve been able to do that and really the blog  – you know – working on the blog – I never really anticipated like I said that it would  grow to be as popular as it’s become and I hope it continuous to grow in popular. I really do cause I now have got into that. I’ve now got in to – you know – the whole blogging world. And I’ve made great friends online. You know being blessed even with this year as being asked to go to blog world in LA and actually speak! I mean that’s insane. I didn’t even have a blog 18 month ago and here I’m being ask to speak at the the premiere blogging event on the yearly calendar for the industry. I mean it’s just unbelievable. So the blogging side of things is: I used to say that I’m a business man first and a blogger second. Now I like to do both.

Flo: Not too bad! So when you look back now. Is there anything you would do in another way to reach your goals faster. Maybe your goal Virtual Business Lifestyle or your outsourcing business?

Chris: That’s a great question actually. I thing the only thing and I had been ask it before a couple of times and I’ll give you the same answer that I gave those interviewers as well. And that is: I wish that I had got active online sooner.

Flo: Okay?

Chris: That’s what I wish I’ve had done. I mean I always had websites for companies and stuff like that. I mean my first email address I had was a compuserve.com email address. You’re a young guy. You do not even remember those guys but – you know – your email address was like 106.88999@compuserve.com. That was you email address!

And I mean we’re talking – man! – it must be 1994 I think? 1993 or 1994. So  I’ve been online all that time and there have been always websites  for my businesses and things like that but when I say “get active online” I mean: Blogging, podcast, video – you know – marketing, social media and that stuff. You know I really kicked it off at the beginning of 2010 where – you know – I had a twitter account since the middle of 2008 so – you know – I wish I’ve got involved in the whole online world or the new media world earlier. A couple of years earlier. That’s the one thing I would do differently more then anything else.

Flo: So when I get to you and say: “I want to live the virtual business lifestyle like you live now”. What would you say? What would you suggest like: what are the best ways to create the virtual business lifestyle?

Chris: I think – you know – when you talking about creating a lifestyle involves talking about the businesses because without the business there is no virtual “business” lifestyle, right? When I thought about doing the blog and everything to start off with I kind of like the idea of the whole lifestyle design thing particularly after reading the 4 Hour Work Week but I kind of always wanted to focus of that and my lifestyle would be around the business side of things. So – you know – really to be able to get the virtual business lifestyle up and running and in the swinger things you gonna have the virtual business first. And there are two ways to do it. Either A: Quit your job and start building something like right now or you can carry on working at your job cause I know a lot of people who are watching things probably are. And you can start something in the evening or on the weekend or before breakfast or whatever the case maybe because of the essence of virtual businesses or online businesses you can kind of do – you know – you can set things up from anywhere. It’s not like a break and more the business. So did you gonna write and promote a – you know – a ebook or whether you’re going to a – you know – get to the point of putting together an audio course or a video course or you’re gonna doing consulting work or… you know … anything like at all.

Florian: Yes. “Just do it!”

Chris: You just gotta get it going. You know. Start off. Get it going. And really nowadays the big thing for me – above of everything – the big thing for me is that the personal brand that I’ve been able to build up through virtualbusinesslifestyle.com has absolutely without a doubt made it easier for me to start up my additional businesses as well as carry on to grow my existing businesses. And that is the one thing I say to anyone: “If you wanna get involved with virtual business / online business start a blog, start a video channel, start a podcast, just start something online where people can see you, they can hear you, they can kind of consume and digest what you’ve got say  because ultimately – and this is no “Chris Ducker theory” here – you know – this is fact: People wanna do  business with other people. They don’t wanna do business with a logo or a company or corporation. They wanna do business with people. And when it comes to spending money online, consumers (or online consumers) are a lot more likely to get their credit card number out or to get their paypal account open if they know who you are. If you trust in resource. I think this the big thing really focus on building up your personal brand to begin with.

Flo: On the other hand, what is the one big difficulty of having a virtual business lifestyle? Or do you thing this is just awesome?

Chris: Oh man you’ve got some great questions here! You know – usually I get a kind of “How do I work with a virtual assistant?” you know – stuff like that.

I think really the biggest difficulty of a virtual business lifestyle is communication because you’re on the go so much.  You know – particularly if you’ve taken it the like extreme of hopping to from one country to another and things like that. You know – internet connectivity is sometimes tough to get like good connectivity without having to spend an absolute fortune on it. You know – in Five Star Hotels and stuff like that but I mean I think its probably the communication side of things you know. Different timezones particularly if you are working with virtual assistants as well and – you know – it is a little bit of a struggle: the communication factor. But I think as long as you put processes and systems in place and you stick to those systems 9 times out of 10 you will do just fine. But it really does depend on the people that you’ve got working with you in the touch oft hinges that you’re selling online as well like selling products is a lot easier then selling a service I feel. Because for a service, particularly a continuity or monthly based service you’re only as good as your last month. And that’s why I see many people set up this membership sites and they’re charging whatever – 50 bucks a month or whatever it is. The first three/four month are usually really really good. But they put some real effort into them. And then people start to drop off. They start to cancelling their membership. And you do wonder why. And the fact of the matter is because you’re not putting the same amount of effort in as you did in the first three or four month when you first started things up. And that’s why I hate membership programs, you know? The large majority of them anyway. But selling a product is way easier to put on auto pilot then as a service. So if you really looking for a real automated virtual business lifestyle you gotta come up with – you know – info products, downloadable products and things like that. Rather then selling consulting services for example or anything that service related. Virtual Staff finder for example have like six people working for me which allows me to only work literally two hours a week on that business because I have other people doing that for me but it is service related. So – you know – depends on the guy who’s set it up I guess.

Flo: Would you know say that you’re a lifestyle designer?

Chris: Haha! No.

Flo: Or would you say that this is a process which is never completed?

Chris: I think you’re right. I think you hit the nail on the head right there. I don’t think it is ever completed and I think that if you wanna be called a “lifestyle designer” that is exactly the right attitude that I have  that you’re consistently revamping, re-evaluating, re-scheduling, re-processing, everything that you do carry on building that more optimum lifestyle regardless of what you’re doing. But for me I don’t call myself a lifestyle designer. I really don’t. I think – you know – if I wanted a sort of a coin in return or whatever I just call myself a “new age entrepreneur” or a “virtual entrepreneur” where I trying just do just  things as much as possible with a freedom factor worked into it, you know?

Florian. All right. I’m going over to some personal questions. I’ve have another good question here: What have been some of your biggest mistakes that we can learn from?

Chris: Biggest mistakes? Ehhh…. Biggest mistakes? … I never make mistakes. No I think… working to many hours. Definitely. Because you burn out. And you know it’s not good to your body when you burn. So I think, yes, anything more then nine or ten hours a day you’re not working hard. You’re just not working smart. It’s simple as that. So I think working too many hours is definitely something a lot of entrepreneurs put into it.  I have this kind of “hero” in minds: “Oh I worked 16 hours yesterday! I’m great!”. I mean how many of those hours where you really productive? Like insanely productive? Crushing it? How many we do? Maybe 2 or 3? You know? So I think working to many hours is one mistake a lot of people make myself included when I first got going. And I think the other thing was particularly – you know – money. Finances. Not focusing on the pennies and the dollars.  Because – you know – my father used to have a saying to me back in England. He used to say to me: “You look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves”. And it was very very very true when he said that. Because if you’re looking at the pounds and you’re saying: “Wow that’s so many pounds” Then looking at the dollars: “Oh my dollars”. But what about all the pennies that you’re loosing? When you’re not looking at them? Ultimately of a period of time that will cost you thousands and thousands of  if not millions of dollars over a longer period of time. So really not focusing on finances has really been very kind of a very keen eye to attention a detail when it comes to money.

Flo: I have a mastermind group. And I guess it was last week or so we talked about support from our families. One guy said that his girlfriend really don’t understand what he’s doing there. Because – you know – 4 Hour Work Week and that stuff is just crap and what do you think: Is family absolutely important to create your own lifestyle? And do you get support from your family?

Chris. Yeah I certainly did. My wife is phantasmic. In fact my wife came up with the main name “Virtual Business Lifestyle”. And I tell you what. And she never lets me forget it! Ever! I’m lucky to have a very supported wife and kids and everything. So – you know – for me it’s absolutely power that I get the buy-in of my family for sure. In everything that I do. If I’m working on something where she thinks its a little bit of a waste of my time or something like that she’s telling me. Something like that. She’ll tell me. Outright. She’s just telling me. And it will make me but I … my wife’s opinion she’s my best friend in the world – it will make me look kind of take a step back and look at what I’m doing. Is she right? Or is she wrong? And if she’s wrong I’ll tell her and if she’s right then I also tell her and I thank her to give me that input. So I think family – having the backup of your family is really important but I wouldn’t let it hold you back – you know – if you’re really passionate about what you want to do or what you’re already doing and you don’t have yours family buy-in quite yet. Don’t let that stereo of cause you know? You should certainly continue with the little of passion you’ve got and the focus that you’ve got and eventually if you put enough hours and enough hours of work and enough smart time  the chances are you probably gonna be turn around and say to your family who didn’t back you up to start off with: “I told you!” you know? Yeah. I wouldn’t let it swear you off your path of growth-ness. For me – personally – it’s important.

Flo: So you have three kids, right?

Chris: Yepp.

Flo: In the family it’s not usual that everyone’s having the same job or is  living the same lifestyle that you living now. It could be that Daddy’s having the virtual business lifestyle and Mommy is working 9 to 5. So my questions is: What do you teach your kids? Going to school, write good marks, studying anything, go to work 9to5 till you die or something? So do you telling them do life their dreams?

Chris. I mean I feel that – you know – that passion for me is something really important for my lifestyle  and the way that I do things. I’m really passion about certain things. More passion about certain things then I’m others, right? And I let my children know that. And for me – you know – my wife fundamentally still helps me run my businesses. She’s not working 9 to 5. She stays a home a lot with the kids. And if I not at home in my home-office either here in my facility office or at my local starbucks or whatever. But ultimately – you know – I make a very conscious move in making sure that I talk about business as much as possible at the dinner table. I want my kids even if its just subconsciously to hear me talking about what’s going on in my business life. How I’m doing this. The deals I’m working on. The guys I’m working with – you know – that sort of stuff. Cause I want them subconsciously obviously to get the entrepreneurial mindset. Now, does that mean that I want them to became an entrepreneur as soon as they’re done with college? No! Not necessarily. They can out and work in 9 to 5 jobs. That’s their own lives and they can do whatever they want and I’ll support them whatever they wanna do. But ultimately I guess I would love for them to be their own boss and kind of the same freedom that I have in being my own boss and hopefully that will happen for them but I mean it’s – I don’t force it down in their throats. And I spend as much time with them as I possibly can and I tell them that their education is more important then anything else in their live  at this time  and later on in live you don’t have to study all that much. You never stop being a student but you don’t have to – you know – read three chapters by tomorrow on a regular basis – you know what I mean?

I tell hem to work hard and studying and everything but ultimately I try to let them seem – they always come into my office – you know – particularly my little one – you know – because my office is only a short drive away from where he goes to playgroup currently and – you know – at least a couple of times a week he will come into the office and he will see the staff working and knock on my door: “Daddy? Daddy?”, you know, come in an run around, sit on me desk and see what I’m doing all that stuff. So I’m not forcing it down in their throats but I certainly promoting it, for sure!

Florian: Overall. Would you say that you’re a lucky guy? Or what does happiness mean to you?

Chris: I would say that I’m a very lucky guy. Yes. And I don’t wanna rest on my laurels. I wanna become even luckier.

Florian: Last question: What is your next goal?

Chris: I’ve got two! I’ve got two goals I’m working on right now actually. The first thing is that I wanna turn my new company, my Web-PA, if anybody’s wants to check. They can check it out at the domain name yourwebpa.com. And  its kind of not totally 100% life yet but there is something there. We will launching that probably in the middle of november. And I believe there is a lot of business out there for that company. And I wanna turn that…. my goal is to turn that into a million dollar company inside of 18 months. I wanna do that. I wanna do a million dollars in revenue in the first 18 months of business for that company. So that’s the first goal. And the second goal is I wanna become a published author man. I wanna write a book that will hopefully help people and – you know – very much a beginners book. I don’t claim to be an expert really in anything, I’m lucky to have a lot of experience under my belt and learning still every single day or everything but I feel I have enough entrepreneurial knowledge to at least show beginners or “wanne-be-entrepreneurs” how to get going in a way that will save them a little bit of money, save them a little bit of time, help them become a little bit more successful, a little faster, and things like that. So I don’t really have a concept for the book yet and I don’t have a title for it or anything but I guess in the next couple of years I would love to become published in some capacity or somehow.

Florian: Cool. Great goals! I wish you all the best.

Chris: Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Florian. That’s it. No more questions for you.

Chris: I can breath! I can breath now. That was a good set of questions. That was good.

Florian: Okay. Thank you.

Chris: Thank you very much man.

Florian: If you have anything to say now. Do it! Say “Thank you” to your family.

Chris: I’ve nothing more to say except thank you very much for having me on the show. I appreciate it. If anybody wants to – you know – if they haven’t come across me – if they cane come check out the blog. I would love to see and hear from them and and I wanna say “Thank you” for all of your support over the last 18 months. You’ve been a follower for a while man.

Florian: Absolutely. I’m not commenting very much but I’m following.

Chris: That’s okay. That’s all right. The silent viewer is just as important as the vocal viewers.

Florian: So it would be cool if I can interview you maybe next year.

Chris: No problem. Would be my pleasure. We will see whether I got this book published.

Florian: Okay. That’s it. Thank you very much that you had time for the interview. Greetings to your family, to your kids and have a great time.

Chris: Thank you very much. I appreciate it Florian.

Florian: Here in bavaria we say: “Servus” to say “Bye Bye”.

Chris: “Servius”?

Florian: Seeeervus

Chris: Okay. “Servus” and right back at you my man.

Florian: Bye.

Chris: Take good care. Bye

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